What don't you get

This is true. They are the tories in sheep’s clothing at present. I hope they will change. It’s not impossible

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I can’t see it.

Too much to lose career wise. The key problem in modern democratic politics.

Don’t overestimate the standards of the British electorate.

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A true leftwing party is unelectable in this country, Labour have to move to the centre to have any chance of winning.

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Time and time again British people prove they are vindictive, small minded and as long as someone else is worse off than they are, that’s all that matters.

Add in radicalisation via Facebook and the ‘silent majority’ of Britain is awful IMO

As Sid Vicious once said ‘I’ve met the man in the street… he’s a cunt’

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The phrase to watch out for is “AngloFuturism”. We will start to hear it more. Farage is the canary in the mine. The next wave of populist/more electable candidates will take up the broader Reform mantle and ally it to a more coherent vision/philosophy of the U.K. as a modern player in the world. Unless Labour can evidence significant growth in the economy and a vastly improved vibe in the U.K., by the time of the next election, it will be hard for many to resist a shiny new option. I don’t believe that will be Farage, but it will be someone with a right wing, populist agenda. Good times, eh?

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Or Farage with his backers is in the background anyway, pulling the strings.

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There’s definitely a sizable element that will go for Farage. It could also work in Labours favour if he splits the Tory vote. If Labour manage to not completely fuck things up they might be ok.
As was mentioned above, if they can create some stability and a sense that things havent got worse that might be enough for some.

Maybe im being optimistic.

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i dont’ think he will, because he doesn’t have the charisma for it. not like trump, not like boris.

the notion of the extremely right wing true believers gaining ground isn’t without merit, but i think the real faction in play is the swath of people who don’t particularly feel one way or the other, but really want to watch shit get crazy and blow up. anything - anything as long as it’s not boring.

in the US, the next leader on the democratic side will not come from congress or state government or even anything like TV punditry or philanthropy. i’d guess that they come from tech money or pro sports.

that big swing swath of voters that i’m talking about? they hate the idea of steady hands and competence, they want to believe that whoever’s next is gonna take a big swing at global influence without the burden of previous experience or decorum.

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I hope you’re right.

Let’s not forget that the longer Brexit goes on and the worse it affects us, the harder it will be for Farage to avoid the blame. He couldn’t win an election now and I think his prospects can only diminish so long as he is held to account.

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Really wish I’d not searched for that now :roll_eyes:

On a slightly more optimistic note there’s some (admittedly limited) better news from the US here:

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Yeah it’s not great news!

the RIP race.

When people seem desperate to be the first to post a RIP on Facebook. Me and the wife have even started betting on who out of the usual suspects will get there first.
Surely they would stop and think that the people they know will have, most likely seen 20 of these posts already? Aren’t they a bit embarrassed to be seen for the desperate bandwaggoning?

Is this a perfect example of narcissism to show that they are posting about themselves but never consider/look at what others a posting?

(disclaimer-It’s a bit different in the forum as it’s a conversation)

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Virtue signalling bollocks really isn’t it?!

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On a related note, discovering that everyone is actually a massive fan of the deceased despite never having mentioned them in any capacity in 10+ years of posting

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on the same tip :
rest in power… I mean,
you had a whole life struggling, trying and surviving, making sense of it all… so finally you die and then, when you deserve all the peace in the universe…
you still have to
rest.
in.
power…

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I saw a funny jack skipper video on this the other day

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i haven’t done it yet, but i plan on writing the eulogies for my parents (both alive and feeling pretty good at this time) so i can share it with them. it may need fact-checking, etc. and who better to do so?

i am big fans of theirs, and hope to mention it before they die!

yes, it seems sort of grim but my dad, at 80 years old, is now having fun by mentioning “well, that’s the last time i’ll ever have to do that” (buying a car, remodeling his bathroom, those sorts of things).

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