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Imagine working for him and being compelled to show up to those events.

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I can’t imagine being either of those 2 things to be honest!

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Grubby little opportunist.

Musk, not you! :joy:

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Don’t let him get you down.

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One of the grimmest days in international relations. The United States is now effectively an enemy of the free world. I’m not sure Europe or other Allied nations have yet begun to process what this means - militarily, economically, culturally…

People across what was ‘the West’ have grown up inhaling anything that came out of America (for all its sins, injustices and military misadventures). What follows now instead? Nobody really knows.

Or am I being melodramatic?

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Absolutely hideous

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Trump and his cronies both domestically and internationally including Farage and that has been Neighbours actress that has no talent- other than marrying a billionaire for his money- are fucking amoral cunts that don’t deserve to draw breath.

Stunned by this, but at the same time not surprising. But then why would a rapist fraudster let justice get in the way of a deal

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It feels massive because everything we grew up with, every treaty, every piece of international law was predicated on never repeating the terrible global wars of the 20C again. Individual countries sometimes bended or abused that, from the USSR in Hungary, CZ and Afghan to the US in Vietnam and Iraq, but generally there was a common understanding about the need for a system. But international law effectively no longer exists as of today. The only law is the jungle, and a lot of weaker countries will be shitting themselves.

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US border viewed from MX side today.

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As appalling as the situation is re Trump and his stance on America’s western allies, Trump will(hopefully) not be forever, and whoever takes over from him will rejoin in the alliance quick smart. It’s just too dangerous for the states to have no strategic partners across the globe at this very vulnerable juncture.

No, America has changed decisively. Even if the Dems were able to find a credible leader AND get past the fascist internet AND reclaim the keys, they would find a shattered government machine that had been degraded or privatised and have to somehow wrestle control back from wealthy people with paramilitary protection who didn’t even recognise their authority.

It is now a ‘freelance’ state who will cut deals whenever and with whoever. If millions of people are murdered or displaced or borders redrawn as the vacuum is filled by more seasoned tyrants then so be it. I can think of at least 20 different regional theatres around the planet where borders could easily be redrawn overnight with zero deterrence or heavyweight opposition.

Yes, US foreign policy was applied to catastrophic neocon effect in the past but there is one big difference. American public opinion right up until the 2000s all consumed the same media. Yes there were partisan biases but everybody could see the same Reuters images of napalm or body bags or burning towers when they turned on cable tv. It meant political leaders had to answer to public opinion in a way they didn’t in the dictatorships.

But now that has changed too. There is no shocking news story that will bring all Americans to the same TV images because so much fragmented digital media (and not just in the US) is wacko conspiracy for clicks or 24h disinformation (ie lies) a real time Goebbels wet dream in mass communication. The scariest thing of all?

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And it’s coming here. Farage will be Prime Minister in a few years sadly.

I still think that’s extremely unlikely. It’s a long way from 4 MPs to 300 plus and their ceiling of support is probably not even 30 per cent.

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I don’t. At all. A coalition with the Tories. A useless leader deposed. A leadership election. Farage installed. All highly likely IMO.

I think (would hope anyway) the British are too cynical to go with Farage. The danger is the tendency of other politicians from the established parties trying to appeal to his crowd.

If Musk gets involved with funding then anything could happen though.

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There’s a chance Reform will swallow up the Tories who look really screwed now to become the second party but Tories will fight on, even on around 15%. While the right are divided Labour will always have chance.

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Im way more optimistic. The Tories are completely unelectable for 10 years given their recent abysmal record and dearth of serious people at the top of their party now - and if they form a pact with Reform they may as well just shut up shop, so I’d be astonished if they did that.

I know there’s a lot of media and social media noise about Labour being a disaster but I’ll stick with my fundamentals - if the economy has grown over five years, people feel a little better off, interest rates are no higher or lower, and public services are improving, Labour will be re elected. Most or all of these things are very possible. Plus Trump will remain deeply unpopular in the UK and Farage is closely tied to his fortunes, which is hugely risky. In fact, Trump won’t even be President any more if the next election is July 2029 so Farage won’t even have that. Lastly, what are Reform promising beyond a protest vote? They might win council seats and even the odd parliamentary by election but that doesn’t mean anything come a GE. I’d say a Labour / Lib Dem coalition is much more likely than Farage ever becoming PM.

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I imagine Starmer and co will tighten regulations restricting overseas funding or look at a similar approach.

Musk’s proposal- taking into account the sums mentioned -is tantamount to electoral interference

Labour are the Continuity Tories anyway. Like the Democrats in the US they are even more reprehensible on certain issues than the previous government

I wouldn’t say international law no longer exists, the resolution was passed despite US opposition.

But I understand what you’re driving at

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