What don't you get

a bar you’re not allowed to takes drinks into? Doesn’t sound ideal :laughing:

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I see that Kamaal Williams is having a social media war with Resident Advisor. All seems to have gone a bit nuclear.

I think it’s probably best to steer clear of this, makes for very uncomfortable reading/watching.

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if there’s a hell below we’re all gonna go.

I dipped in and came straight back out. It’s all a bit vicious

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more like social media breakdown

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Oh wow

I think Discogs needs to give sellers a global review of the rubric for VG+. Not sure any of my recent purchases make the grade.

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Its an unspoken rule, VG+ varies by region and genre. Same with NM. There should also be a disclaimer *Visual grading only. I been burnt so many times😢

See also ‘Nm-‘ then list of faults meaning it definitely cannot be

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I stick to the guidelines here:

Plenty don’t :confounded:

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Sorry. But vinyl only releases do my nut in. You don’t have to put it up for streaming. I’m right on board with that but I buy loads of music digitally and It just feels like ‘making an artistic statement’ or cutting your nose off to spite your face. If it is purely as an artistic statement then that’s mental. The fork you eat with doesn’t make the Michelin starred meal taste any better.

Surely, you must want people to appreciate your art? Isn’t that part of the point of it? It’s no less exclusive if it’s available on digital. I don’t understand the short sightedness of it all, what’s the worst that can happen if something is available on a format other than one side heavyweight 10” vinyl!!! I just want to buy the music, enjoy listening to it and support the artists financially.

Like the UR stuff. Some of it is weirdly available digitally on the Submerge site but most of the classic stuff isn’t. I know they reissue vinyl releases all the time but not digitally. For music that’s so forward facing it just feels like a reductive choice at times.

This isn’t an anti-vinyl rant by the way. It’s just born out of genuine frustration. I’d love to have another record player again but Abi would leave me and that would make me sad and too skint to spend money on records anyway.

That’s my old man rant of the week over and done with :joy:

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Ha ha… and i would say digital only releases. To me it says I acknowledge that my music is so bad and worthless that not even 2/300 people worldwide would buy it on vinyl. But then i’m still hooked on the expensive plastic.

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:joy: Understand your point. Vinyl release’s obviously come from a place of love.

Whatever the format is anyway. I still spend far too much on music. I’m a lifer at this point. I just want to buy the music, it wasn’t a format wars comment I was making. I hope it didn’t come across like that.

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Good rant, but even if I see/get your point I’m on the other side of the fence so dont agree

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Thanks man :grin:

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Back in the early 90s I was a (music) artist manager - almost everything we did was about trying to find a way just to get the music heard.
There was next to no chance of getting on the radio and even getting releases distributed to shops could be a problem.
You hoped that the music would stand up for itself and that those who liked it might buy it, but this was a non-starter if you couldn’t get it in people’s ears in the first place which at times seemed impossible.

So to me the idea of restricting people access to even hearing your music, just so you can squeeze some extra $ out of your ‘fans’ by only releasing on an expensive legacy format is a disgrace.

Vinyl only is understandable for bootlegs & edits etc, but respectable artists** should want their original art to at least be available for people to judge.

** I love Payfone’s Volt To Volt, but totally object that I had no choice but to pay over the odds for the pleasure of recording my own mp3 of it while someone like @Tanner is completely excluded

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Cheers Tim,

This is the release that tipped me over into ranting

https://lionchargerecords.bandcamp.com/album/blind-prophet-galactic?search_item_id%3D1406884744%26search_item_type%3Da%26search_match_part%3D%253F%26search_page_id%3D5144515095%26search_page_no%3D0%26search_rank%3D9=

I love the SoundCloud clips. Want to buy it. But can’t? Dunno why, Lion Charge sell some digital material amongst the vinyl only releases. It’s frustrating

I’m ok with the scarcity/limited/vinyl only thing. It’s annoying sure (I like a digital file to play on air, I don’t mix vinyl in the radio studio) but if it allows a small artist/label the chance to scratch out a few hundred here and there to fund the art then I’m on board. It’s just the way the industry went, there was that famous rant about people downloading digital promos in the hundreds but nobody buying the digital releases to support. We did it to ourselves, got greedy and lazy and started to expect that music would always be free.

Put the digital out in 12-24 months, try and scratch out a few more pennies down the line, that’s fine.

Labels and PR can still distribute personalised digital to select DJs/presenters if they are set up like that. Best thing you can do as a hungry DJ is connect with people you respect, let people know you’re playing the stuff.

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I appreciate your thoughts and can see where you’re coming from but a vinyl only run feels ‘exclusive’ to me.

A vinyl run followed by digital sales after the vinyl sells out still feels ‘exclusive’ to me.

I would just like to pay for the music, enjoy the music and support the artist. The artist can charge what they like, if I’m into it, I’ll more than likely pay for it.

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