Can’t stand him myself, but what I really dont get is the fawning adoration he inspires. All he has to do is fart and he’s on the front page of the Guardian
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These type of hi fi bannana plug soon fell apart after one use on my mobile system which is using 1960’s speakers.
Better to loose the screw and solder in the wire. Try and source Radio Spares (RS) brass with a decent nickel plate if you do this again, they are cheaper and better the ones shown.
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This bullshit from people who likely haven’t been to a club in decades…
I love the idea that young “ravers” have a desire to drink “designer cocktail”, and would even be able to afford that in the current economic climate.
The bashing of youth culture clubbing by people who really should know better is something i definitely don’t get. It smacks of out of touch people inventing things to annoy themselves.
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Oh God yeah. Such Facebook group BS. I really hate the way Gen X seems to think it’s the gatekeeper for everything ‘authentic’ 
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‘Tis kinda true though. I’m not bashing, but clubbing experiences seem very different these days. Image is everything. Back then, the music was.
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Spend a week in Ibiza. He’s not actually that far off…
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But what are you comparing to what?
If you are comparing some large scale edm festival to some basement with a red light and feeling from your own past, well… that is hardly the same thing is it?
In terms of this boomer post from facebook, they are specifically talking about their own past as ravers from the early to mid 90s.
So this would be comparable to, in my neck of the woods, Sully playing at the Bongo Club here in Edinburgh on Friday. Which to my eyes looked exactly the same as any jungle/rave/D&B type night i can remember.
I can’t even think of any example of “Image is everything” from the night at all.
And again, what are you conflating? Why are we comparing commercial megaclubbing to, presumably, underground clubbing?
Are you both saying that commercial clubbing used to be all about the music, and not about image?
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If there are kids as passionate as we were that’s brilliant, but feels to me like deep house music and the club culture that went with it is the preserve of older people, and possibly heading for extinction in these festie driven times
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This phrase does a lot of heavy lifting in this forum, you obviously want very much for it to be true.
Young people gather to dance to music still, even if it is in less numbers than before.
600+ went to see a DJ called Minna play here on Saturday night, and she played a set of disco and deep house classics, to a crowd of 18-25 year olds.
I am slightly cursed in that i work in a field that means i am constantly speaking to promoters and djs of all ages about specifically who is playing where, what numbers they did and exactly what they were playing.
Obviously you’re probably not going to be rocking up to a party filled with 18-25 year olds to check up on what is going on, but assuming that everyone is just posing for photos to post on instagram everywhere is a bit of a reach.
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I have a few gen z raver friends here in Seattle and they are amazing…there is a great underground scene going on right now and what I love is the openness - we send each other music all day and they are just as open to old school business as new stuff. I haven’t been to some of the outdoor mini festivals but have seen pics and reports and they look incredible–art installations, communal food, only friends of friends < 150 people etc. My good friend came back from one describing the sun coming up while someone was playing a song about “driving away from home”. Good kids…
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It’s comparing the 1990s to the 2000s. I don’t disagree with what it says. Things and people are different now. Not to say one is better than the other because you can’t experience both equally unless you have a time machine as a huge factor is how old you were when you experienced it.
Are you now, to misquote your own very memorable phrase, indulging in performative anti-boomerism?!
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Well spotted, I am!
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You do it very well! Boomers are annoying. I get annoyed when I get boomer myself. But raving was def better when I was 17 and not having to leave Lowlife and get to the kids football after two hours non-sleep….not my finest hour!.
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More of an observation than a full on criticism.
Admittedly, there seems to be less of it going on in the low key, ‘red light in a basement’ type venues as you say. The vibe is different there and you sense the people generally do go along to enjoy the music. There’s dancing, and sweating, and less people standing about with their phones pointing at the DJ Booth. I know these places still exist and you know it’s a real labour of love for the organisers and DJs alike to bring these events to the more discerning clubbers. The underground scene right there, still thriving.
Maybe it’s my algorithm skewing my view. I see people consuming rather than actually enjoying.
I’m sounding like an old fart, and I am one, but I certainly don’t gatekeep or feel any resentment. It’s great that younger generations are enjoying the music and the experiences we had when we were in our 20s/30s.
Wouldn’t surprise me if that meme was created using some AI tool. Some of the words seem a bit weirdly placed.
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There are natural generational divides, tensions, milestones, unique experiences which have defined people forever. I met someone in the summer who had never used a phonebox before. There’s no point me trying to relate or vice versa. And obv, they have to find their own way. And maybe there will be overlap at some point. As it stands, small clubs are shutting down everywhere and someone who is 18 therefore has no hope of going through that sweaty chemical epiphany in the same way. They may hear the same music elsewhere with different ears, but obviously it is completely different and more sanitised because who the hell is scaling fences to break into parties now? So yes there will be a bit of sneering because it’s all so easy now and besides that’s what middle aged people have done forever, but is it such a bad thing? That tension is often at the heart of culture. People need to kick back at something. Where I think it is more problematic is when someone is sold a fiction, a pastiche of something, which is modern clubbing, affecting all the trappings of underground alla DC10 (in 2024) but actually a reflection of greed at its worst. And if that is all a lot of kids get, how the hell would they know any different?
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I don’t accept this, clubs look the same, feel the same and people do the mostly the same drugs. The only differences i see are more to do with how the djs and maybe the more hardcore music fans would be engaging with and getting the music. An 18 year old walking into a club to hear… i dunno, Chris Stussy or whoever, is gonna be having a pretty similar experience to an 18 year old walking into some tech house club in the late 90s or whatever.
Not everyone was scaling fences to get into clubs back in the day either, most people’s experiences of clubbing, and dancing to music was in clubs. A lot of clubs are still pretty dank and disgusting in the same way as the ones back in the day.
If you are self aware of it, and aware that you don’t even have the full picture of young people’s modern experiences, why bother indulging it in? You are just becoming the thing you once rallied against…
Ibiza looked like a capitalist hellhole to me as far back as the early 90s, it is absolutely not the high point of any sort of dance music revolution to me. Maybe it is to you, and you can see some sort of purity to the vision of 90s/00s DC10 that i never saw, but this example is simply an example of something you liked at the time, that has now changed in a way that you don’t like.
I see your point, and i see where you are coming from, but i don’t really agree.
I think people are judging modern clubbing on what the algorithm is feeding them on their social media streams.
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the kids are alright! https://www.kuow.org/stories/seattle-s-under-ground-rave-scene-is-raging
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Back in the 90s there would have been older clubbers saying it wasn’t as good as clubbing in the 80s, in the 80s there would have been older heads saying it was better in the 70s etc etc…
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In the 90s there were clubbers saying it was better six months ago/three months ago/last week/yesterday/this morning….!
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Yeah, it’s easy to criticise when you’re viewing youth culture through a nostalgic lens.
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