THE Progressive House Thread

First we need to remember the difference between the Cowboy / Timbales / Fabi P sound & the Sasha / BT sound as quite difference but crossover

Miles old blog post details the former perfectly

First coined by Dominic Philips to pigeon hole an emerging genre during his days reviewing for Mixmag Update in the very early 90s, progressive has gone on to become a byword for boring, convoluted house music. And yes, even if you put aside Sasha, Digweed and Lawler’s mind numbing take on the genre later in the decade, it’s still easy to knock the first wave of progressive house now as it quickly became a parody of itself – music for long haired blokes on drugs made by long haired blokes on drugs. BUT it’s also easy to forget there was actually some very exciting music being made at the beginning.

It was a reaction to the times. Cooler London clubs were playing slickly produced house and garage sounds of New York, New Jersey, Rome and Rimini, movement 98 was just a recent memory, and the harder edged sounds we had grown used to the early days of acid house had been become the property of rave DJs and ravers. Early progressive house producers, like D.O.P, started to reclaim these rawer sounds, set them in a house context the right side of rave and forge a distinctive English sound, that wasn’t just a rip off of what the Americans or Italians were doing.

And in most clubs you’d be unlucky to be subjected to night of Fabi Paras b-sides, because this music was getting mixed up with early Wild Pitch, Instinct and Murk stuff from the States and new sounds from northern Europe like early Jam and Spoon, R&S, early Eye Q and Harthouse stuff (anyone remember intelligent techno?!) and things like SIL and Wonka Beats.

Hard as may be to imagine now, it was fresh and it was exciting. I remember being at an early Puscha, when it was still good (the Salvidor Dali one by the Tate and Lyle refinery), and hearing Smokin’ Jo drop Acorn Arts and Gat Décor alongside Weatherall dropping Wonka classic The Traveller ‘Father and Son Shine’. It felt like the future.

The reason Leftfield were so popular was because what they were doing sounded so original and many artists you don’t think of as being progressive were part of it all – Andrew Weatherall and early Sabres releases like Secret Knowledge and SYT (Shave Your Tongue), Slam/Soma, Junior Boys Own acts like Underworld/Lemon Interrupt, Outrage, and even X-Press 2.

It was an exciting and musically creative time, the influence of which reached across the Atlantic, where Junior Vasquez was hugely influenced by the X-Press 2 sound and even used to play Guerrilla releases like Two Shiny Heads ‘Dub Disco House’ at the Sound Factory.

Unfortunately, back on this side of the pond, people with little or no musical talent quickly got to grip with the basic elements of the sound and there we were soon buried under a deluge of really boring bongo/timbale records - Cowboy Records, in particular, were terrible for putting out this crap.

I think there are actually a number of parallels to be drawn with the recent surge in minimal house – a few pioneering, innovative producers, making groundbreaking music and quickly followed by a load of talentless imitators out to make a fast euro. They do say we can learn lessons from history, don’t they?!

Anyway, I liked the early days of progressive house. I liked it a lot. And so did many other people who may deny it now. I recently read that Dom Philips has said of his coining of the genre, “It was meant to refer to progressive rock in that it would all become overlong and sound the same and be pretentious… which is just what happened."

I think that Dom is either talking with the benefit of hindsight, using a touch of journalistic license or is a great big fibber. I’m pretty sure the review in question would have been around about 1991/1992 during the very early days of the sound, and it didn’t become overlong and pretentious until the Digweed/Sasha era years later, when it had become pretty much a completely different genre of music.

If Mr Philips really did know that in its second incarnation it really would turn the prog rock of house, can some one give me his telephone number? I need to know what next weekend’s racing results are!

Progressive Not Progressive 10

1- Jambo ‘Drum Attack’ (Wonka)
2 - SIL ‘Windows’ (Work)
3 - Original Rockers ‘Push Push’ (Cake)
4 - Secret Knowledge ‘Ohh Baby’ (Sabres of Paradise)
5 - Future Sound of London ‘Papa New Guinea’ (Jumpin’ & Pumpin’)
6 - The Traveller ‘Father & Son Shine’ (Wonka)
7 - Slam ‘Eterna’ (Soma)
8 - Techno Grooves Mach 5 ‘You Got Me Running’ (Stealth)
9 - Age of Love ‘Age of Love’ (React)
10 - C.J. Bolland ‘Camargue’ (R&S)

Progressive ‘You Probably Had to be There’ 10

1 - Tonto’s Drum ‘Eagles Prey’ (White)
2 - Lemon Interupt ‘Dirty’ (Junior Boys Own)
3 - Acorn Arts ‘Silence’ (X-Gate)
4 - Spooky ‘Don’t Panic’ (Guerrilla)
5 - Djum Djum ’Difference’ (Outer Rhythm)
6 - The Disco Evangelists ‘De Nero’ (Black Sunshine)
7 - React 2 Rhythm ‘I Know You Like It’ (Guerrilla)
8 - Sound Clash Republic ‘Sack the Drummer’ (Junk Rock)
9 - Alabama 3 ‘I Shall Be Released’ (Strictly4Groovers)
10 - Megatonk ‘Belgium’ (Kai Tonk)

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who was it on the “what don’t you get” thread called progressive “the worst genre ever”? That was a stretch - have you ever listened to gabba/happy hardcore for more than 3 minutes?

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hahaha lol I said it was the worst thing to happen to dance music, not the worst genre ever. Still maintain that, there are about a dj sets worth of acceptable records, and most of them are on warp and affiliates, basically techno in all but name. Worst genre ever is psytrance.

As for gabber and happy hardcore, it’s like pop punk, frivolous and obnoxious music for adolescents (basically rock n roll!) I rarely listen to it, these days, but I respect the impulses behind it. I mean it has always annoyed the grown ups, and that is never a bad thing.

Both genres also have some pretty decent records in the primordial soup of their origins. Well, decent in rave terms.

hhc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8KrsnCqSNE
gabber: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3KI_zmO1qE
Of course, it’s not ismistik or stefan robbers on djax, but then again neither is most frog on guerilla. It’s the pseudo-sophistication right, thinking they are better than the rabble etc. Weatherall said it well in an interview with Emma Warren for RBMA I believe. It’s just scenesterism, and who wants that?

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anyway so I don’t get crucified, progressive adjacent things I do luv 2 da max:

React 2 Rhythm - Whatever You Dream (Dark Mix)

Mad tune, would sound right at home with murk/maw dubs, as the DiY boys tended to do.

And one of my favourite house tunes of all time, industrial house. Right on the edge of the later progressive, deep house and the stuff DJ Pierre was going to do later. DiY boys at the vanguard.

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another one in the murky waters, but the good kind. MK goes football 'ooligan on acid.

Brilliant tune. Yeah it’s bait but this even appeals to us from da hardcore-junglist massif.

Andronicus - Make you Whole

Getting more techno and tougher but I think it fits. Played by Billy Nasty when he went full panel beaters from Prague.

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I think what Miles was basically saying was that the early years were more fun when things were up in the air and all mixed up whereas PH got cold and sterile by milennium with incredibly earnest and faultless Hernan Cattaneo sets nobody can remember. The cult of DJ went hand in hand with increasingly beige sets, see Ibiza for last 25 years. Trance too was destructive in that it got harder or cheesier than the more acceptable Age of Love techno-trance records. It felt like a generational shift, perhaps stronger drugs or more detachment from the roots or tech change making it easier for anybody to make music?

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nah, there were some pacey (yet quite credible) trance records in 92-93. A lot of Sven Vath harthouse stuff wouldn’t clock in under 150 bpm. Different lineages I think. People like Colin Dale/Faver/Dave Angel and others fundamentally grounded in UK black music scenes flirted with the early techno trance for a year and a half or so. I think prog house and trance merged around 94? I can tell you specifics of jungle, garage and hard/acid techno (pre liberator/crusty crew obvs) but can’t really comment on the more (shall we say indie/synth pop) descended ends of UK club music.

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Forgot about this

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Strange track listing though. The Djum Djum was out a good year before the SIL record in ‘90 …way before the prog term was knocking about. I don’t really see a distinction in terms of categorisation between a fair few of those records in the charts he posted.
But then that’s history for you… everyone has different interpretations

Life was so much simpler when it was just house techno and hip hop!

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I personally wouldn’t call this ‘prog house’ just regular house, but some people have called it that.

I wouldn’t have classed Sil - Windows as Progressive tbh, so maybe I’ve lost sight of what it actually is. Always thought this was…(maybe pitched down a tad).

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Now that’s the kind of early 90s trance i was bang into at the time. Nothing too frenetic. Still has that groove going on.

Big DJ Dag tune 93/94

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Still have the classic DJ Dag tape from the early 90s called Keep on Trucking

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Rumour Records had their ’Trance’ (Prog) series in 93/4 which got more Trancey. Some curveball choices though such as ‘Who’s the Badman’ which no one has ever called Trance!

https://www.discogs.com/label/67898-Trance?page=1

The importance of the Renaissance mix (and club) was mentioned in the other thread.

I used to love the ‘Giving it Up’ slot on Kiss Fm around 93/3 (the likes of Weatherall, FSOL, Fabio & Grooverider and Sasha) playing 1-4am on a Tuesday I think. Still have some of the tapes.

The Sasha sets from that period were where that sound kind of peaked and many of the records played appeared on commercial mixes a few years later.

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Well, it is Speedy J on production duties so it actually sounds crystalline, unlike the primitive sound of a lot of UK progressive. But it is context dependent isn’t it. the breakbeat hardcore from the time is primitive but that works to its strength, sampler vandalism.

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This is such a great record. Little edit I did of it here… this and djum djum sort of defy the genres. This one was glassy sounding and incredible really loud and djum djum still sounds in a world of its own even today.

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This was out about the same time as Difference. (the A side Trust no one always reminded me of Aqua Regia stuff)

Bassic also put Juno Soul Thunder out :ok_hand:

Proto Prog!

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I really like this B-side from that release, bouncy!

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