Moog pedal copies? Nope.
I am tempted by their Grampian copy though.
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This guy has done reviews of them all. The filter sounds about the best/most close to the OG
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Interesting. I do love the delay, but it’s the Filter (vst) that I use A LOT. The stage where you strip back everything, including fx/plugins, about 90% is gone. The Moog filter just adds. I’d be interested enough to give it a hands on go, but would have to be a preety big improvement on the vst version.
Spring reverb (and probably reverb in general) is something I haven’t found a problem cracked with any vst. Audio Thing’s Springs being the best for me. That (and a new synth & mixer :)) are my main focus right now.
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Any Bitwig users on this forum? I’ve been using Bitwig since like 2018 and I really love their effects and modulations. It has been at the heart of my workflow and probably it is the main reason about how my sound has developed.
One of the reasons to pick it from the bunch was because they support Linux. Today I use it on a proprietary operating system with a soundcard that has drivers and some hardware plugged into it. I am very happy with the setup.
I do want to try out some other tools, but I try to keep my setup as minimal as possible. Basically, Bitwig, Serum and the FabFilter suite (some other things as well, but this is the core).
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I have it- but haven’t used it much to be honest- don’t dislike it - speedier for arrangement, has that modular infrastructure going on- but Ableton I’m afraid still has more to offer for me as does Reaper-
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Cluster Box might be on the list
I understand that Ableton is a beast that comes with some world class tools inside, but if somebody is reviewing DAWs here’re a few reasons why you would choose Bitwig:
- Runs on all major operating systems
- Very stable, almost never crashes
- can be controlled from Android/IOS
- there’s an open protocol for exporting Bitwig projects and directly importing them in other programs that implement that protocol.
- the unique, differentiating feature of Bitwig are the built in effects and modulators
- there’s a complete modular environment called The Grid
- chained combinations of effects and modulations can be saved as presets and then they are reusable. This is done in a way that’s different from other programs, because the effects and modulations in Bitwig are composable. They are also searchable as regular built in presets.
- channels can be grouped and groups van be nested, which allows for tidy project structure and easier dealing with complex projects.
What I also know is that Bitwig is not the most resource efficient DAW, I think Reaper is a leader on this metric. But, with a modern processor I can do a lot in one project, without maxing the resources.
On the UI/UX front they can improve some parts and the sequencer has been redesigned in v6, which was probably the weakest point from a design point of view.
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I don’t doubt any of the plus points but it can’t compete In relation to the support networks and user base contributed content available for Ableton ( max 4 live ) and reaper extensions etc. imo.
That said there’s no such thing as ‘the best daw’ it’s an entirety personal, subjective thing -all got pros/cons.
If it works for you that’s all that matters at the end of the day- so kudos to you if you’ve found something that fits your process
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Maybe I shouldn’t have replied to you, my post is meant for all who are interested to learn about Bitwig.
Btw I also want to learn Reaper, but my brain has limited capacity and I feel getting to expert level in Bitwig right now will give me the best return on time invested.
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Well, there’s plenty of resources available online already for people who are interested I imagine?
Also I think it’s helpful to know your way around more than one daw- for example Reaper is amazing for editing audio whereas Ableton is less strong in that area in my experience for example- you could apply this same approach to logic / studio one etc etc whatever works for you
This allows you to use the best tool for the job depending on what you want to do- so I might edit some audio in one daw then do further work on it in another for example
This reminds me of an interview with Carl Craig who uses multiple daws but admits to only using about 10% of the features in each one- taking the bits that he really needs and nothing more
Just a thought
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I agree on all points you raise, but learning takes time, so when the time comes I would really like to dive deep in Reaper and also VCV Rack.
On Bitwig learning resources, YouTube is also solid.
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Pretty sure I remember an interview with Carl saying it doesn’t really matter all that much, pick one and learn it, and stick with it. And that’s not bad advice really, when the goal is to get music out there (and not waste time learning how to use loads of DAWs)
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Started on Cubase and then moved to Ableton around v.5 or 6 I think. And that was pretty much just for DJ’ing and making an edit or two for playing out. Another thing I got from Optimo Keith - mixing from vinyl to Ableton using the bpm, and then later the luxury of the Tap and Nudge functions. Took a bit of getting used to at first but worked very well.
I know still use Ableton for both Production and the odd bit of DJ’ing. It just works for me. Starting off with the session view just jamming. About 80% never get beyond this point and are saved and forgotten about. This is what it is all about for me. I have little interest in doing anything with it beyond just having some creative play. I rarely re-listen never mind playing it to anyone else. It’s just is what it is. I have gone back to some old ones now and again and taken a bassline that fits something else, but mostly they’re done.
As someone said, Ableton isn’t great for editing, and I still use Audacity to this day. That was how I made every edit I ever did. I love it’s simplicity and not syncing or really any fx.
Whilst I kinda get the reason (I don’t work on a laptop all day for example), but find the whole go DAWless thing on a similar vibe to vinyl only DJ’ing. You have my respect, especially if your still carting records around, but about 99% of the people don’t care in the slightest. Sound quality always, and good music.
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That’s interesting… what do you mean by that ? You have Ableton connected to the (dj) mixer and use MIDI controller to alter bpm/nudge so that you can mix in ableton edits alongside vinyl ?
Not occurred to me to do that but yeah would open up option of digital djing alongside vinyl with minimal problems of that is what you mean
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Pretty much. Ableton connected via external soundcard to mixer. Didn’t have a midi controller back then.
The nudge feature is especially useful for this.
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A free and open source software for STEM separation. It works on all major operating systems. It works well with the default model and it is reasonably fast. Also, there’s an option to download additional models.
I’ve had some issues with sampling, because I haven’t separated the stems first. Now, I want to finish a few ideas where I was stuck and also start STEM separation on some Dub records for future productions.
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